This concept is not new and it seems to work well over here (http://market.envato.com/) There is indeed much structural work that needs to be done here but the core foundation/principal is here. If the buyer decided to buy after inspecting a sample, the seller would deduct the sample price from another 3d model. TurboCrooks should be boycotted by artists since they are the one responsible for the situation! They provide clients with pretty much everything they could possibly want at reasonable prices and have a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all their items. [http://www.google.com google5 ] TurboSquid goes down, It becomes miserable the users are ,,working from behind,, ! I think we as sellers can do a lot to make cgtrader more interesting for buyers. [link="http://www.google.com"]google1[/link] "This is new era, time of old fashioned corporatism is going to be over. It is also my favorite 3D site but some things need to be fixed before they can overtake some of the other sites. If a company like Disney or NASA buys a model at TS, they advertise it as "Turbosquid customers buying Turbosquid models". I would like to see similar stats from other sellers, but CGtrader has been the 3D marketplace with the higher increase in sales for us without a doubt. (this would be the core of the human sorting out system). I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? I am going to start a list to promote artists who are making great models but just aren't getting the views. Open a Support Ticket, Licensing questions?Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager. In the long run I'm going to quit selling on TS also. - Once in a while, alert all designers that a cleaning operation will be made, and wipe out objects that are of a too bad quality or copyright infringements. I guess it is because of the youth of the site, which has not yet reached its maturity. My response was, not going to do that, its my work I decide the price. It is currently selling on the of TS is much higher than on CGT. I didn't checked it for a while (around a year) but comparatively Cgtrader has a much more streamlined upload system compared to Turbosquid's. Then I contacted Eduardas and Mantas who refused to remove the rating, The entire way of setting up your model seems backwards and chaotic. Payment Method So part of the problem would probably be solved if a buyer would indeed get reputation points for buying models and gain more access in the process. Gumroad. And some may post a part of a set, and ad a link to the complete set, others may just do it to spread their work and name, etc. If you continue to price your models higher on TurboSquid, you will will not be able to publish your content on TurboSquid, and we will temporarily take your current models offline. Please don't get impression that i'm trying to bash CGT, i don't i favor CGT over TS any day, but i want that they up their game in this concurent buisness. This is new era, time of old fashioned corporatism is going to be over. I tried to contact the buyer several times with no response. I think that they keep the 3D models as a curtsey only or to serve as samples that could at a later date be turned into prints. in the name of freedom expression of the buyer (???). I'm suggesting a collective of store owners. I think arguments of differences in search are irrelevant when someone is looking for the same model to compare prices between the two biggest players. Change Method. On other hand I could also think its just some clients that do not care about the price difference, they just prefer using the Ts account. I think I do a decent job at earning my keep.. And yes, it this is like if shapeways started doing cg. Maybe CG Trader should consider a large add-on to the site, where the customers can click a link, and go to a whole new site (owned by cg trader) that does sells strictly 3d printable models :) Just an idea :). What I mean is CGt isn't rely making products, it is offering a sales platform and leaves the problem salving involving product issues (between sellers and buyers) to the product developers themselves (in theory) and in doing so minimizing/reducing overhead in sales. We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. @skifx, @made21, my royalty rate is 80% and i earn from each sale from 72% to 77% depending on the model's price - the pricier the model is, the lesser payment processing fee gets. Looks to me like they are providing a very content creator friendly environment. https://garagedoorrepairchesapeake.com/garage-door-replacement/. I also think, as iterateCGI, the market control based on exclusivity will soon disappear. Being an artist himself makes a huge difference in this regard. Sales site defending exclusivity trying to find ways to seduce (like the famous CheckMate) but this has no return. My price at the time was same both on Ts as on CGt but after some time position on CGt got better and sales was picking up. Turbosquid has too many models "Even being a diamond doesnt seem to give me the benefits of sale coz TS takes so much from my sales (everyone's sale) that i would hardly call it profit or any acceptable income. Currently on a tight budget, would lose a substantial cut to pay for software licenses and hardware. Work directly with a 3D artist for your project. Login to PayPal to add your account as a payment method. If I run the same test on Turbosquid or The3DStudio, I get almost exclusively original characters. From buyer perspective, i think CGTrader also have lots of advantages. The paypal commission is paid 2 times - 1 when the model is bought, 2 times - when money is paid to the seller. The title says it all!1. It would be great to have more of your feedback so we could make it better for buyers. I had a conversation with Eduardas he confirmed that they will improve the feedback system. What makes Cg-trader better than Turbosquid? In response to your comments kanga, I would like to add this to the conversation. Don't forget those young people are going to shape the future of this market and if we want to have a flourishing market then we need lots of well trained people in it. Is it the return guarantee if not satisfied? My personal experience, having had a short stint as a 3d print seller on Turbosquid, is that they paint with way too broad a brush when it comes to potential IP infringement. Don't know if it's already mentioned in this thread, but in TS you have a refund system, when customer buyed your product has ability to bring back his money and it'll subracted from your earnings, if he doesn't like a model for some reason. Market your products turbo squid does that for you i understand but if your trying to sell you have to show the customers where its at. It is a wonder how people still haven't fixed bugs like that after so many years and it made the whole uploading process a total hassle. Hell, I even remember writing years ago to Matt Wisdom (TS Founder & CEO), Beau Perschall (VP of Business Dev) and other people at the management staff about the "no-brainer" choice for sellers regarding going exclusive into the "Squid Guild" or not, because after a group of sellers collected our stats and compared our earnings (for similar periods of time being exclusive and not) all of us ended with the clear conclusion that we were losing revenue being exclusive to TS instead of selling in all markets no single answer was received from any TS management staff member. I have met a bunch of really good artists here that I have had the pleasure of working with. Maybe they would understand that sellers can't be treated as slaves. bye for now and be well Will and Mr Data :) :]. Site itself must have significant changes to make it more attractive and more convenient to buyers, especially big buyers. Yeah nasty stuff, but hey, I better shut up because I'm one of the hypocrites that keeps supporting that place by having my work on it. I'm even considering seriously closing my store here. And therefore it doesnt matter where it is. We even stopped publishing new models there. CGTrader is bather as a platform and like I wrote above if we help in couple of months will overcome TS on search engines, which will also increase our sales. I remember fighting them at length to try to put my brand name withing the model description or my website link and eventually lost the battle. The reason the model is sold at low price .some models have so many other sellers which can lose models value . At one hand I could think this was indeed evidence that Ts had some clients that do not know about CGt. There are tons of things better here on CGtrader, most notably we get served very well for extremely low cost. Also, trying to find an item that I already saw through the search is near impossible. In 2020, I've opened a CGT account and start selling interesting 3D Models. Selling 3D models on Ebay or Amazon would probably generate problems? I like this site more, because, firstly, it has a much more pleasant and understandable interface, gives a higher percentage of the sale (on a TS, it looks more like a tip if you are not a member of their club), and generally it works more stable. Both are still growing, but it seems CGtrader is growing much more. It's the artist that need to make a stand and simply take the short term loss from less traffic and exposure and join the marketplace that respects the artists. For example, I ran into this this morning. A little more than a year passed since our public disagreement with Turbosquid policies and behavior that ended our relationship as content creator and reseller. http://rebloggy.com/post/art-copyright-turbosquid-infringement-kouotsu-ip-theft-kouotsu/34732573054 still turbosquid has the most paying clients. I guess CGTrader should send out advertising to the companies, but I'm sure they are doing/done it already. I don't think it's possible to have WORKING site with both 3d printing and classic models. Noise Treshold: Cgtrader have more favorable royalty rates, compared to TurboSquid. User experience and User interface is much better to manage your store, and higher royalty. stores with its own labels for 3D printing, 3D stock, crowdfunding, game models maybe even concept designs, sound files, storytellers, code for making apps, 3D scripts, etc) Each of this stores would then again have subcategories (e.g. You are clearly one of the professional buyers who doesn't take advantage of the system but there are so many out there who do that and 3D sites are beginning to try to safe guard their artist's work by not making it so easy to just get everything you want for free. you should check out all the posts about 3D models quality. You have to choose a category to get a refresh. Ps. Hopefully that would make squids to react. I ran my test with "characters" and displayed 128 models on one page. ,,The only thing that has cgtrader extra is the freelance job,,?? Female Escorts in Mumbai, [link:http://www.google.com]your link text[/link] Lots of people buy posters to print and put on their walls especially students. So that is why sites like Amazon are making a fortune. TS staff do their best and is not responsible for the strategic choice of TS I'm just dreading that sober moment when TS offers to buy CGT to kill off the competition. Add a Payment Method, Add a Payment In my experience often times a client will ask for certain models but then one must take into consideration what computer specs they have because you don't want your client to get frustrated with the models you buy. Open a Support Ticket, Licensing questions?Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager. Your account is not in CGtrader and I can't see your models, and judging by the link in your comment you are just a spammer. Honestly I feel that it would be better to sell n bit slower that to have your models stolen. Same for me, here. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. They have more traffic so i'm told. I agree with the last post, searching for models should not be a pain. @dafunk @S/C. And even if you sell the same models on other side you can advertise them as being the cheapest here. Well, unless I can verify the quality of the model I'm not going to pay for most things. And to be fair, you will never get exact 40% from squid either, because they have payout fees too and also they withold certain amount from US purchases. It would be mess. Spider-Man (Rig) for Maya Shaders is a new section that we recently added. You have to realize that TS is recognized by autodesk and even had a direct tab link to their site in max itself. Every vendor who is exclusive is losing money and customers. Determining the optimal cost of the models is an important and difficult moment. We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. I'm not a modeler, I come here to buy models and this site is surprisingly obtuse when it comes to layout. Even when Ts would sell more models it does not mean they serve you well, because it is not. So, CGT is the best guys ! I think posting links to showcase your model in an animation or to show how a rig works is extremely advantageous. Chat with Support 24/7 On Ts we get served for extreme large cost and rather badly frankly said. You just have to check the Sellers forum at Turbosquid to see plenty of complaints about all sorts of abusive policies. Ts went head on and contacted me (I was probably among list of targeted folks at that time, Ts previously also contacted me to make some shady deals which I rejected), now they requested me to lower my prices according to new price grantee model. I deleted my products here and joined sguild again, no reason for staying here. Prices do not include additional fees, such as shipping . A rig is like a skeleton of a 3D model, which lets you move and pose it with little effort. I started uploading on a few sites and TS was one of them and I can tell you now that that place is a mess. Renderosity. It is pretty awesome!!! Sketchfab.com-------------------------------. Work directly with a 3D artist for your project. . When a buyer leaves a bad rating for a lame reason , TS investigate and contact the buyer and if he doesn't give a serious explanation, How about Negotiated price? I read here on the forum can't remember if it was Iterate CGI or someone else said that CGTrader will soon sell on Amazon and I can't wait for it to happen!! Not artist friendly at all, from uploading to statistics (Model views, downloads, and so on). You want to put it in your store but it obviously needs some work to make it marketable. ,,Checkmate,, from TS was actually invented by Jonathan Lloyd, the person who ruined Pixel SQUID :). i think cgtrader can grow stronger with higher quality traffic. Products should be grouped not only by name and category but also by poly count. The utopian view here is a successful merge of all related activities (or at least part), connecting as much people as possibly can that are doing something that could potentially involve 3D, and in doing so eventually streamline part of the global 3D marketplace and increase the amount of successful transactions between many possible parties. The Ts model does not support such thing and is not up to the task of modern time needs for this industry. I dare to bed that those hoe left CGtrader a year ago to sign some exclusive contract to get the money a little bit faster will regret that decision rely badly next year. Well, unless I can verify the quality of the model I'm not going to pay for most things. On top of that they have so many odd restrictions and hoops you need to keep jumping through just to make your model visible and people end up having to buy diamond accounts because they know they won't sell a single model unless they do. Same with copyright infringements, same with low quality models (a friend of mine bought recently a model here, which was supposed to be .OBJ compatible : but the seller had just exported the obj from its original program, without even editing the mtl file to have the textures loaded automatically ! At the time my CGt account was not performing so well and it enforced that belief (it was probably due to longer presence and better position on Ts and new on CGt). Tom cat cartoon character rigged for Maya 12. He bought a cheap product (with a fake account) and post a bad rating. This is a totally separate "operation" that is going on under the acquisitions of CGstudio and T3DFM, which serve also as noisy cover to "wag the dog". It is the best RR in the world ! My sales are not still on par with TS, but I haven't published new models for quite some time, because I only have time to create models to enter challenges from time to time. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/woman/female-hand-realistic https://www . Just uploading on turbosquid is a pain in the butt. Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. (e.g. And i cannot take care for piracy or stolen models because the 3d stuff will go in piracy anyways, doensnt matter the platform it comes from. Why is CGTrader better? So it is, but it's a matter of time and CGTrader will be able to master these positions. That's what I'm saying all the time and what I didn't like because I was not selling models for 3d printing and reason why I left. @Supercigale, this is worrying to read, i think such things shouldn't happen. Every freelancer is corporation of it's own. (Edge loops, quad poly, simple overall structure) Full Rigged with over 30 facial blendshapes and 20+ skin morph targets in order to produce better rig quality and remove some joints issues such as overlaped knees, stretched hips, etc. This is hight quality female model with animation friendly topology. To my repliers: We need to broaden our spectrum and clientele if we want to make more money. Site issues? I see what you mean but I think it depends on how you are covering markets. They already sell 3D printers on amazon so it isn't a far stretch to just add the models in the suggested items that go with 3D printers. You could have a superman body with an iron man head and spiderman gloves. It's like if shapeways.com will start selling classic "cg" models. See the reputation, see the response rate, realise the problem will be fixed. And in terms of openness and freedom CGTrader is the first. You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. i have sold it to millenium shipping containers amongst other professional business. I'm probably leaving this site for good, but it won't be because of you guys - it's because of the site itself. If any of you think this is a show of strength from Matt Wisdom and his Corporate brother Andy, think twice. You can change your subscription preferences at any time in the account settings. CGTrader just doesn't have the exposure it needs yet to top Turbosquid but I am confident it will surpass it in time because of the quality of it's products but word of mouth is key in this business and people need to be talking more about them. the only advantages in cgtrader are the big rates for clients. In response he founded this place on the core principal that the artist would come first. If CGtrader's advertisement budget is a problem, a Crowdfunding round may help. That takes longer time. To me it feels like he is amongst us and we are performing a team effort. http://content.screencast.com/users/Lenwe/folders/Default/media/d7b76144-43db-4cbe-b27b-8ea42b3a7cb0/TurboSquid_Low_Sales.png Personally, I will never sign up to exclusive contracts, others should always get chances to maybe offer better job if they can. With the support of a strong community we can get this thing going, don't worry about that. Build your own Brand with your own criteria and goals. Turbosquid bites the hands that feed them: Brittney Briere, Sep 18, 09:53 SST: They should make more effort to advertise. Cheap and free models are killing cgtrader. Cubebrush. TS beside ripping off taxes have a terrible support, I just was told in the civilized manner to F OFF, as I complained on an admin who kept my 3D model suspended for over 4 days. Turbosquid immediately shuts any links down. I think the TS percentage is pretty much an outrage considering the low price of the products being sold. I don't know if Turbo Squid allows licence ownership to be transferred as i never got that far with them. 3D is great for creating things that can restore old products. They have a CheckMate program which gives you a higher percentage back from selling your model. Also don't forget that people sell their photos and posters too. Thanks for dropping by and great news about an eventual homepage re-design. I don't know if that is still the case ( and I have no desire to check ) but that is advertising that is hard to beat. While there is some sellers that naively think they can rely on Turbosquid's good will to improve their situation in the future, the rest of us should be start working together towards a collective benefit. The fact that you can upload models immediately rather than waiting 3 months for them to get reviewed by some random people that won't have the time + the website design and the community inside CGTrader. The art is to do it structurally organized and easily navigable and then it is a matter of giving the people the right tools and they will do the rest issue I think. Pleas just stand your ground, we need people coming in not leaving out. There is plenty of "undercutters" everywhere and some short-sighted content developers that seem to only care about quick cash-grabs and most of the time doesn't even have enough data to state a valid opinion based on the contrast of facts over medium-long periods of time. For myself, long live CGTrader and may they keep their principles as they grow. Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, + blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, + c4d unitypackage upk max ma c4d max ma fbx max, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). Turbosquid just has it backwards. Agree with every word. And it offers a more strategic dimension. That's how they won and that is how you succeed in business. Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. I am new starter here. By registering you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use. A serious problem indeed about Turbosquid is its policy of setting up barriers to avoid having a direct link to customers (this includes banning of al communication technologies). IMHO that is main area where CGT must up their game significantly. Plus giving much higher royalties, instantly paid, much better support, publishing system, etc. Thor (Rig) for Maya 15. Bangalore Escort Reputation for promptly fixing problems? I'm always in favor for more options and less restrictions. Chat with Support 24/7 For this, it is certainly the most pleasant place to sell models I know right now. https://vimeo.com/739678 So then people can actually customize and make cool toys and sell them on there. Using TurboSquid products in Browser based games. Free3d.com7. If a model you like does not have a suitable file format, be sure to see whether the designer offers free file conversions for the model. A very interesting idea about the stores and collections. We will rather stick with cgtrader and know our models are safe, although the issue with finding CG models on the site is a little problem, but as long as they stay honest well be supporting them rather than supporting a bunch of thiefs and if we need to up our prices then so be it. i think they both have there place . what you say doesn't make any sense because CGTrader has a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all models as far as I know. I do agree with you regarding the search engine. I see no point in closing when you might as well keep it open and get a couple sales. That is true, but im talking if buyer is already familiar with existence of CGTrader, he can reap all the benefits then. 4. And reasons can be any. Like time spent on searching models or ability to get profesional support 24/7. Well, it was more than one year ago that I last intervened on this thread. Agree with every word above. This is inherently due to the fact that computers are still very bad when it comes to optimization processes, human brains are far more superior in sorting out things. (These stats can be confirmed as true by CGtrader staff, we have no problem with that). It sells almost nothing, except, perhaps, with very low prices. I hope I'll have better selling results there. - Crowdfunding to improve the CGtrader presence in the market. It's all fine and CGT rocks the socks off the competition. Rigged models are great for art projects, games, movies or VR experiences, because they save a lot of development time. CGtrader.com3. When you search for specific models car, bike etc you usually end up finding a bunch of irrelevant models in there that don't even belong in that category and that is largely due to the fact that, they allow users to setup their own tags Yes, at this point the level of sales of the TS is higher than the CGTrader and TS has a more flexible search system. In something limonadinis says is true, but I agree with tomislavveg. And yes .. "CG Trader has made their world about 3d printing". Rigged 3D Models | CGTrader 3D Models Buy or download free Rigged 3D Models Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. I'll ask my friend to get in touch with you for the unsolved support, as I think it is him who has to do that - not me. Also the management is awkward on TS. - Forcing people to choose a proper tagging to their objects so that we don't get scanned high poly print-ready objects in the way when we tick the "low-poly" filter, Is the same for me as everyone else. You are clearly one of the professional buyers who doesn't take advantage of the system but there are so many out there who do that and 3D sites are beginning to try to safe guard their artist's work by not making it so easy to just get everything you want for free. In my personal opinion TS is working very hard towards buyers and exploits sellers as much as they can, well except few chosen ones, while CGT is taking great care about sellers, but leaving buyers somewhat aside. I agree with Captainmarlowe than one of the most important ideas to develop is more "education" for Sellers about all aspects involved in this business, and some kind of system that favors good and fair business practices and penalizes bad ones. The next thing CGT needs to do is get in with Ebay, Amazon, walmart etc places where everyone buys not just 3D enthusiasts and that regular people trust with their money. Marius Kalytis (founder of this place) was a 3D artist himself and took notice of the questionable policy's the established market had adopted (leaving room to do it differently). I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. (2034950) 3D clients will come where is a big diversificated data base of quality models (not only printable models) and artists will come where paying clients are. TS has bather page rank, when someone searches the net it will come on top, simple because it is an older website. The advance search option should obviously only be available for paid models so to avoid people only free loading and just finding all the free models.